Carbondale Liquor Advisory Board OKs alcohol sales at farmers markets
At a meeting this week, the Carbondale Liquor Advisory Board voted to allow farmers market liquor sales.
Below are the minutes from this meeting, as provided by the board.
Liquor Advisory Board
May 19, 2016
The City of Carbondale’s Liquor Advisory Board held a meeting on Thursday, May 19, 2016, in Room
103 of the Carbondale Civic Center, 200 South Illinois Avenue. Chairman Robinson called the meeting
to order at 5:32 p.m. with the following-named members of the Board present/absent:
1. Roll Call
Present: John Mills, Steve Payne, Tasis Karayiannis, David Cisco, Donald Monty, and Mark Robinson
A quorum was available to take action on the agenda items. City Staff present for the meeting included
City Clerk Jennifer Sorrell, Interim City Manager Gary Williams, Acting City Attorney Lenoard “Jamie”
Snyder, Fire Inspector Tom Manis, and Lieutenant Matt Dunning.
2. Approval of Minutes
D. Cisco moved, J. Mills seconded, to approve the minutes from April 7, 2016. All voted aye. Motion
3. Application from Carbondale Tourism for a Class F1 liquor license (temporary;
beer/wine only) to conduct sales of alcohol for a “Live On Series” concert scheduled
between 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. on June 17, 2016, on the 200 block of West Monroe Street
and the Carbondale Civic Center parking lot
Cinnamon Smith and Jordan Wren were present to respond to Board inquiries.
Ms. Smith remarked on the organization’s prior experience holding an F1 liquor license for a concert in
October 2015, noted that this concert will be a smaller event, explained that this location had been
successfully used in June 2015 for hosting an outdoor concert, and responded to Board inquiries. The
Board questioned the applicant about the distributor supplying the alcohol [Venegoni Distributing],
requested details about seating [Tourism will provide limited seating in a reserved area for those who are
in need of it]; who the performers would be [Nikki Hill and Aaron Kamm & The One Drops]; and
explained the location of the stage would be on Monroe Street in front of the Verizon building. The
staffing for the event will be similar to those who provided it for the Jason Isbell concert and all are TIPS
J. Mills moved, T. Karayiannis seconded, to approve a Class F1 liquor license for Carbondale Tourism on
June 17, 2016, contingent upon receipt of all outstanding items. VOTE: All voted aye. Motion declared
4. Review of third quarter violation reports for License Year 2015-2016
Board discussion included comments on the following matters: a note on the State sting yielding
violations at liquor stores; that the number of violations at the establishments is relatively small in
comparison with previous years; the number of violations at Levels seems to stand out compared to other
locations, particularly when taking into consideration that they are not open every day of the week; and
concerns that fire and building and neighborhood services inspections should occur on a regular basis
rather than just on an annual basis in order to find life/safety issues.
Lieutenant Dunning noted that Levels has a higher occupancy than most locations and responded to
Board inquiries about the operation of Levels noting that the police do get calls for service there, but not
as many as in the past. When asked about fighting, he noted that when fights occur it is generally as the
bar closes and people are exiting the building and making their way to vehicles.
Fire Inspector Tom Manis provided additional details about the fire inspection reports noting that the old
exit lights are being replaced with updated led lights which will in time reduce the number of exit light
issues. He stated that with the old lights one power outage could drain the batteries in their entirety and
shared that they provide literature to the businesses on what life/safety issues to look for.
D. Monty moved, J. Mills seconded, to accept the third quarter reports and to forward them to the
Local Liquor Control Commission. All voted aye. Motion declared carried.
5. Discussion of Farmers’ Market liquor sales and temporary extended premises permits
Interim City Manager Williams provided the Liquor Advisory Board with details on the matters of
expanding the Farmers’ Market license and establishing a temporary extended premises permit
Farmers’ Market Liquor Sales
A grant was awarded to Carbondale to conduct a feasibility study on the local foods system and one of the
recommendations for developing the Farmers’ Market was diversifying the vendors, specifically focusing
on the relationship between local foods and the wine trail and breweries.
Board inquiries and comments included the following which were responded to by Interim City Manager
Williams and Acting City Attorney Snyder: who will be the holder of the license [the Farmers’ Market],
who will approve the individual vendor, carry the dram shop insurance, and be the responsible party for
any infractions [the Farmers’ Market], why were distilleries and breweries included in the language [Mr.
Williams noted that currently wineries are the only type of craft alcohol industry able to sell by the
package at a satellite location, but breweries and distilleries are able to conduct tastings at the Farmers’
Market and this license allows for tastings to be conducted], would the language proposed allow for
package sales by the breweries and distilleries [while it is written that way, the State would prevent it
from occurring], if the language were to be approved as written would the micro distilleries and
microbreweries be able to sell by the package once it becomes legal at the State level [yes], a suggestion
to include in the draft language wording to the effect of package sales would be allowed for
microbreweries and micro distilleries subject to compliance with State law, why was this limited to just
one vendor per Market [limited vendor space and to ensure there would not be a saturation of retail
alcohol sales], and general discussion about the expansion of the property where the Farmers’ Market was
There was confusion between the Board’s inquiries regarding package sales and the Acting City
Attorney’s explanation as to whether the City’s approval of package sales for micro distilleries and
microbreweries would be allowed under home-rule or whether State law would be able to prevent it from
occurring. Ultimately, the explanation was that while the City could authorize the package sales by micro
distilleries and microbreweries, the vendor would have to seek State approval to conduct off-site sales.
Temporary Extended Premises Permit
On occasion, Staff receives requests from liquor license holder seeking to hold special events at locations
adjacent to their establishment – typically parking lots, but in some cases at another nearby public area.
The temporary extended premises permit with authorize license holders in good standing to host such an
event upon review of the application by staff and final approval from the Liquor Control Commission
Board comments and questions on this matter included: how far in advance are these requests received
and how would the permit process be expedited [it varies, but if this is handled administratively, likely a
minimum of two weeks], could the permit be for a property other than the licensee’s premises
[potentially], an inquiry about what constitutes a licensed premises [this includes the facility listed on the
application only, but the responsibility of a licensee extends to the “control premises,” and would proof of
dram shop insurance coverage of the temporary premises be required [yes].
J. Mills moved, T. Karayiannis seconded, to approve the Farmers’ Market package sales. All voted Aye.
Motion declared carried.
J. Mills moved, D. Monty seconded, to approve the temporary extended premises permit. All voted Aye.
Motion declared carried.
D. Monty requested that Board members receive a copy of the Ordinance language in advance of it going
before the City Council.
6. Liquor license renewals for the 2016-2017 license year (July 2016-June 2017)
Notice that there were still outstanding items, questions about specific locations below:
Larry’s House of Cakes
Question about the license fee and whether the video gaming terminals increases those fees.
Mr. Trace Brown was present at the meeting and the Board inquired about how the business was faring.
Questions about why the applicant would not complete the form, the Commission’s authority to require
the information, and whether the Commission can choose not to renew the license based on incomplete
Attorney Snyder read Code language regarding Class B3 licenses, which classification was created when
a cap was established, and which gave the Commission the authority to review the records of video
gaming versus liquor sales in order to determine whether an establishment was a bar or a video gaming
parlor. He noted that data would not be subject to FOIA as it deals with sales information and is subject to
tax laws, although the gaming revenue is public record. Further, he responded to an inquiry regarding the
requirement to provide this information that the renewal of the license is subject to provision of the data
to the Commission. The Clerk noted that without the video gaming terminals, the licensee would not be
required to submit the completed form.
It was noted that Tres did not receive the majority of their revenue from food and nonalcoholic beverages,
as is required when holding a Class A liquor license. There was a discussion as to whether the location
operated more as a bar or as a restaurant, whether they should hold a Class B license instead of a Class A
license, and the matter of entry age requirements.
The Board discussed a few suggestions with regard to this renewal application: 1) change to a Class B
license; 2) allow a year to bring the percentages into line; 3) consider whether 51% is a valid measure;
and 4) consider whether to exclude gaming revenue from the calculations.
M. Robinson exited at 6:43 p.m. and returned at 6:44 p.m.
In a similar vein as Tres Hombres, there was discussion regarding Key West receiving 59% of revenue
from video gaming which should require them to hold a B3 classification rather than a B2 license. It was
noted that there was someone operating a restaurant within the establishment. Further, it was noted that
the owner currently holds a 180 day permit for a B3 license, which was applied for, according to the
applicant, due to the demand for gaming at Key West.
There was discussion regarding the minimum percentage requirements for restaurants, why those
requirements were initially instituted, whether the requirement for a restaurant should be a majority of
revenue coming from anything other than food, and a suggestion that perhaps the bar side of Tres was
now the dominant sales driver. The Clerk noted that the discussion regarding lowering the minimum
percentage requirement had occurred over a year ago and part of the reason for establishing the form was
to provide data to help determine whether or not there truly was a need to modify the percentages. There
was a remark that not only was the 51% minimum percentage arbitrary, the data provided might also be
arbitrary as sales can be rung up in different ways and figures can be adjusted. Insurance coverage and
costs for restaurants versus bars were briefly discussed.
Garden Grove Event Center
The discussion regarding Garden Grove Event Center centered on the change of use of the facility and the
minimum age requirement exemption which did exist when it operated as an indoor sports facility. There
is no such exemption for an event venue and as a holder of a B2 liquor license, the minimum age
requirement of 19 applies.
The Pony Cabaret & Steakhouse
The Board requested an update on the status of this facility. Acting City Attorney Snyder reminded the
Board that the renewal application for the 2015-2016 license year was denied by the Local Liquor Control
Commission. An appeal to the State Liquor Commission was filed, it was sent back, and the petitioner
filed for a rehearing before the State Commission. A finding from the rehearing is anticipated in the near
future. The applicant was permitted to operate under a stay from the State Commission; however, they
chose not to do so. It was noted that the applicant holds a State liquor license, but not a City liquor
license. Pending the outcome of the State’s decision, the Board elected not to offer a recommendation on
the renewal application.
The renewal application for this license indicates the facility is open daily, while in practice they are open
with less regularity. There was a question as to whether they operated as a bar versus an event
center/facility and if their license classification was appropriate. It was suggested that perhaps a Code
change would be appropriate to accommodate similar businesses which operate as something other than a
D. Monty moved, J. Mills seconded, to recommend to the LLCC renewal of the licenses subject to
correction of the outstanding items, with the exception that the Board is not in a position to make a
recommendation on the license of The Pony Cabaret & Steakhouse, and that the Board withholds a formal
recognition on Tres Hombres and Key West, pending their meeting with the Liquor Advisory Board on
June 2. Noah’s Lounge was added to the proviso of the Motion. All voted Aye. Motion declared carried.
7. Liquor Advisory Board Comments
Next meeting scheduled for June 2, 2016.
8. Citizens’ Comments
Meeting adjourned at 7:01 p.m.